Which vehicles had a D44 w/ 5x4.5 bolt pattern?

YJay90 · 03-22-2003, 11:52 AM

Which vehicles had a D44 rear end w/ 5x4.5 bolt pattern? When I do an axle swap I'm only gonna do the rear end so I need to keep the same bolt pattern on my YJ. From what I've heard the Ford 8.8s & D44s out of Scout IIs have a 5x5.5 bolt pattern, so they're out. Do I have any other choices besides the D44s out of 87-89(?) XJs & MJs (which are almost impossible to find)? Thanks.

Jeepin Jason · 03-22-2003, 01:45 PM

Ford 8.8" out of a late model Exploder. Strong as a D44, if not stronger, disc brakes, probably 4.10's and a Trac-Lock too.

Ryan, aka: CheapXJ.com · 03-22-2003, 01:57 PM

most D44s that use 5 on 5.5" can be easily switched to 5 on 4.5" You can also get wheel spacers/adapters that will do this for you

excellent choice on the 58" wide scout D44 [img]icon_smile_wink.gif[/img]

check out some older chrysler cars too... I believe that some of them used a D44 rearend, and they might be 5 on 4.5" (like the 80s new yorker/diplomat/5th avenue, all basically the same car)

they were also spring under... might be a bolt-in?

YJay90 · 03-22-2003, 03:08 PM

Thanks guys. [img]graemlins/icon_beerchug.gif[/img]

I thought Ford 8.8s out of the Explorers had a 5x5.5 bolt pattern. Since they don't, that seems like a good choice. Still stuck between gettin the Ford 8.8" or D44 from a Scout II.

Steelerfan · 03-22-2003, 03:13 PM

I'm not sure what the wheel bolt pattern is but Isuzu Rodeo's came with Dana 44's. You could check with some one on a Isuzu board they could probably fill you in on the b wheel bolt pattern.

C-ROK · 03-22-2003, 03:39 PM

The Ford 8.8 is really stronger than a D44 in just about every way.

It is a 31 spline shaft vs. the 30 spline on the D44.
It has a 8.8" ring gear vs. the 8.5" on the D44.
I'm not sure about tube diameter and wall thickness, but I know Ford uses the exact same axle on their F-150s.
It is also definitely a 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern. Disc brake versions are available on the post '94 models.
Be wary of the Ranger 8.8 though, they only recently went to a 31 spline version. They all look the same from the outside but the early Ranger 8.8s were only 28 spline.

Explorer swap is a good swap.

XJNASH · 03-22-2003, 04:14 PM

If I had a Ford rear end how do I set the bracets up right?

I have a D44 as soon as I get some cash. I'm just woundering just for my understanding.

utahxjer · 03-24-2003, 01:45 PM

So if you swap you dana 35 with the 8.8, what else do you have to do it besides welding the leaf brackets? Are they the same width?

Static-XJ · 03-24-2003, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steelerfan:
I'm not sure what the wheel bolt pattern is but Isuzu Rodeo's came with Dana 44's. You could check with some one on a Isuzu board they could probably fill you in on the b wheel bolt pattern.

IIRC they are 6 on 5.5.

Jeepin Jason · 03-24-2003, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Static-XJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Steelerfan:
I'm not sure what the wheel bolt pattern is but Isuzu Rodeo's came with Dana 44's. You could check with some one on a Isuzu board they could probably fill you in on the b wheel bolt pattern.

IIRC they are 6 on 5.5. [/QUOTE]This is correct.

Also, regarding the 8.8", you will need new u-bolts, new u-bolt plates for on top of the leafs, new custom e-brake cables, and an adapter for the driveshaft/pinion yoke. MountainOffRoad (MORE) has an 8.8" install kit with everything you'll need.

Ryan, aka: CheapXJ.com · 03-24-2003, 03:36 PM

and you also need to weld on new shock mounts for the exploder 8.8"

Static-XJ · 03-24-2003, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeepin' Jason:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Static-XJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Steelerfan:
I'm not sure what the wheel bolt pattern is but Isuzu Rodeo's came with Dana 44's. You could check with some one on a Isuzu board they could probably fill you in on the b wheel bolt pattern.

IIRC they are 6 on 5.5. [/QUOTE]This is correct.

Also, regarding the 8.8", you will need new u-bolts, new u-bolt plates for on top of the leafs, new custom e-brake cables, and an adapter for the driveshaft/pinion yoke. MountainOffRoad (MORE) has an 8.8" install kit with everything you'll need. [/QUOTE]Don't XJ 8.25's use the same u-joints (1330) as the exploder 8.8? So if you have a 8.25" rear you don't need the driveshaft adapter.

Jeepin Jason · 03-24-2003, 04:08 PM

Does the 8.25" use 1330's or 1310's like the other axles? D44's use 1310's, so I can't imagine the 8.25" would use something else...

MORE sells a special 1310 yoke for the 8.8", the info on their site leads me to believe the 8.8" comes stock with a flange on the pinion, not a yoke.

Static-XJ · 03-24-2003, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeepin' Jason:
Does the 8.25" use 1330's or 1310's like the other axles? D44's use 1310's, so I can't imagine the 8.25" would use something else...

MORE sells a special 1310 yoke for the 8.8", the info on their site leads me to believe the 8.8" comes stock with a flange on the pinion, not a yoke.

Here's where I read it: http://www.bc4x4.com/tech/2003/xj88/

8.8's use a flange, and according to that site the stock explorer adapter fits a 1330 u-joint. And also according to that the 8.25" uses 1330's. Doesn't Spicer make a 1310 to 1330 adapter u-joint? Then this could be used with the XJ driveshaft and explorer flange to yoke adapter. Can't find anything to confirm or deny the 1330 for the 8.25".

Jeepin Jason · 03-24-2003, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Static-XJ:
Doesn't Spicer make a 1310 to 1330 adapter u-joint?

Yes, they do. I don't know the p/n though.

Static-XJ · 03-24-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeepin' Jason:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Static-XJ:
Doesn't Spicer make a 1310 to 1330 adapter u-joint?

Yes, they do. I don't know the p/n though. [/QUOTE]Found a little bit of info, and I wasn't even trying.

8.8's use either a 1310 or 1330, 1330 is more common. NAPA makes a 1310 adapter yoke for the 8.8 flange. This is cheaper than the 1310-1330 u-joint and can be found locally unlike the MORE unit (unless you live near Glenwood Springs, CO [img]icon_smile_wink.gif[/img] ). No info on the 8.25" u-joint though.

Ryan, aka: CheapXJ.com · 03-24-2003, 06:01 PM

does anybody have concrete info on which XJs might use a 1330 U-joint?

I've got a 1330 u-bolt yoke for my D44 that I'd like to use, and if i can grab a driveshaft that fits the XJ, and fits the 1330 joint...

that would kick a$$ [img]icon_smile_wink.gif[/img]

Static-XJ · 03-24-2003, 06:34 PM

http://www.naxja.org/bbs/1oem.cgi/read/51436

Asked the question there, so the answer's on it's way.

If the 8.25" really does use 1330 u-joints then a driveshaft from an XJ with AW4 and an 8.25" should be longer than the shaft that you have (lower pinion of the 8.25). Could help keep the splines in the t-case with your lift.

jeep-nut · 12-30-2003, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by C-ROK:
It has a 8.8" ring gear vs. the 8.5" on the D44.
I'm not sure about tube diameter and wall thickness, but I know Ford uses the exact same axle on their F-150s.
It is also definitely a 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern. Disc brake versions are available on the post '94 models.
[/QB]

Is there a size difference between the explorer 8.8 and the f-150? Did the F-150 8.8 have the disc brakes and everything that came with the explorer?

XJ4play · 12-30-2003, 12:31 PM

Does it matter which year Explore as long as its '94 or newer? Am I correct in assuming that all Explores came with 8.8? Sounds like the 8.8 is a good option, especially due to parts avaiablility. [img]suave_anim.gif[/img]

XJ Fanatic · 12-30-2003, 05:22 PM

all explorers are 31 spline but pre 94 have drums and are more common with 4.10 gearing. I have also heard bout that with the ds ujoints. The easiest solution is to just grab and adapter plate from a ranger while at the yard or off of an ford solid axle car like a lincoln or a mustang

03-22-2003, 11:52 AM	#1
YJay90 AKA: "Bob" Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 1,427	Which vehicles had a D44 rear end w/ 5x4.5 bolt pattern? When I do an axle swap I'm only gonna do the rear end so I need to keep the same bolt pattern on my YJ. From what I've heard the Ford 8.8s & D44s out of Scout IIs have a 5x5.5 bolt pattern, so they're out. Do I have any other choices besides the D44s out of 87-89(?) XJs & MJs (which are almost impossible to find)? Thanks. __________________ 1990 YJ 3" 33s - Sold

03-22-2003, 01:57 PM	#3
Ryan, aka: CheapXJ.com BANNED! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 14,931	most D44s that use 5 on 5.5" can be easily switched to 5 on 4.5" You can also get wheel spacers/adapters that will do this for you excellent choice on the 58" wide scout D44 [img]icon_smile_wink.gif[/img] check out some older chrysler cars too... I believe that some of them used a D44 rearend, and they might be 5 on 4.5" (like the 80s new yorker/diplomat/5th avenue, all basically the same car) they were also spring under... might be a bolt-in? __________________ "The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is? If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is!" -Joe Stack

03-22-2003, 03:08 PM	#4
YJay90 AKA: "Bob" Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 1,427	Thanks guys. [img]graemlins/icon_beerchug.gif[/img] I thought Ford 8.8s out of the Explorers had a 5x5.5 bolt pattern. Since they don't, that seems like a good choice. Still stuck between gettin the Ford 8.8" or D44 from a Scout II. __________________ 1990 YJ 3" 33s - Sold

03-22-2003, 03:39 PM	#6
C-ROK Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 29	The Ford 8.8 is really stronger than a D44 in just about every way. It is a 31 spline shaft vs. the 30 spline on the D44. It has a 8.8" ring gear vs. the 8.5" on the D44. I'm not sure about tube diameter and wall thickness, but I know Ford uses the exact same axle on their F-150s. It is also definitely a 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern. Disc brake versions are available on the post '94 models. Be wary of the Ranger 8.8 though, they only recently went to a 31 spline version. They all look the same from the outside but the early Ranger 8.8s were only 28 spline. Explorer swap is a good swap. __________________ G. C-ROK

03-22-2003, 04:14 PM	#7
XJNASH Trail Guide Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shreveport , LA Posts: 802	If I had a Ford rear end how do I set the bracets up right? I have a D44 as soon as I get some cash. I'm just woundering just for my understanding. __________________ www.NashSystems.biz www.bayoujeepersoffroad.com

03-22-2003, 03:13 PM	#5
Steelerfan Trail Guide Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas,Nevada Posts: 269	I'm not sure what the wheel bolt pattern is but Isuzu Rodeo's came with Dana 44's. You could check with some one on a Isuzu board they could probably fill you in on the b wheel bolt pattern.

03-24-2003, 01:45 PM	#8
utahxjer Jeeper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pleasant Grove, UT Posts: 51	So if you swap you dana 35 with the 8.8, what else do you have to do it besides welding the leaf brackets? Are they the same width?

03-24-2003, 03:36 PM	#11
Ryan, aka: CheapXJ.com BANNED! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 14,931	and you also need to weld on new shock mounts for the exploder 8.8" __________________ "The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is? If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is!" -Joe Stack

03-24-2003, 06:01 PM	#17
Ryan, aka: CheapXJ.com BANNED! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 14,931	does anybody have concrete info on which XJs might use a 1330 U-joint? I've got a 1330 u-bolt yoke for my D44 that I'd like to use, and if i can grab a driveshaft that fits the XJ, and fits the 1330 joint... that would kick a$$ [img]icon_smile_wink.gif[/img] __________________ "The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is? If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is!" -Joe Stack

03-24-2003, 06:34 PM	#18
Static-XJ squarier™ Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 21,685	http://www.naxja.org/bbs/1oem.cgi/read/51436 Asked the question there, so the answer's on it's way. If the 8.25" really does use 1330 u-joints then a driveshaft from an XJ with AW4 and an 8.25" should be longer than the shaft that you have (lower pinion of the 8.25). Could help keep the splines in the t-case with your lift. __________________ '93 XJ \| '01 CTD \| '65 'Vair.

12-30-2003, 12:31 PM	#20
XJ4play Trail Guide Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Zimmerman, MN Posts: 426	Does it matter which year Explore as long as its '94 or newer? Am I correct in assuming that all Explores came with 8.8? Sounds like the 8.8 is a good option, especially due to parts avaiablility. [img]suave_anim.gif[/img]

12-30-2003, 05:22 PM	#21
XJ Fanatic I wear a thong Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fort Irwin, CA Posts: 16,827	all explorers are 31 spline but pre 94 have drums and are more common with 4.10 gearing. I have also heard bout that with the ds ujoints. The easiest solution is to just grab and adapter plate from a ranger while at the yard or off of an ford solid axle car like a lincoln or a mustang __________________ 2002 WJ Overland, 4.7ho, quadradrive, all terrains, all 4 options available 31's The rubicon of the grands... Project Liquid Courage: 94 XJuggy, 44/8.8, 4.10 gears, minispooled f/r, hydro assist, 36" iroks, oba, leaves on all corners, aw4, 231sye'd, 4.0l... stroker and d300 in the works Proud to Serve, Proud to Defend, Proud to be an American Soldier