Project RottenBottom - Page 3

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-09-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xj_man_646

It wasn't that far, more like 4.5-5. It was a helluva lot closer than going out west for a pile of clean XJ sheet metal

4.5-5 hrs???? fukker i wish. I'm pretty sure it was about 8-9, for me, minus 2.5 for you

Sir Sam · 01-09-2008, 09:59 PM

wow thats crazy, I've never seen a XJ rusted so badly.

For that matter I've barely ever seen any rust on an XJ.

xj_man_646 · 01-09-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VTJeepCJ84

4.5-5 hrs???? fukker i wish. I'm pretty sure it was about 8-9, for me, minus 2.5 for you

Seriously? I don't remember it being that long...oh well. After all the driving you/I did last semester, all the various trips are kind of a blur in terms of the driving part.

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-09-2008, 10:06 PM

Tonights progress:
got the old LCA mount off the left side, only put a small cut in the supply fuel line(FYI it is about even with the bottom of the tank, so it won't stop pissing)
full bump, looks like clearance will be tight, but should be OK

need to cut more of the old UCA out, might have to move one end over a little.

without the coil spacers:

with coil spacers

6DoF · 01-09-2008, 10:23 PM

hey stevie.... you put enough time into this thing, you deserve to take it wheelin the first time. GIT-SOME

Timmay · 01-09-2008, 10:27 PM

Cool. What are the link lengths?

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-09-2008, 10:32 PM

lowers are currently 36" , upper is 40ish.
I've got 1/2" of threads on each end of the lowers so i'm going to screw them in and see how it looks and go from there.

6DoF · 01-09-2008, 10:35 PM

front o that fender needs to vanish

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-09-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepnski

front o that fender needs to vanish

that would make life easier.

Timmay · 01-09-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VTJeepCJ84

lowers are currently 36" , upper is 40ish.
I've got 1/2" of threads on each end of the lowers so i'm going to screw them in and see how it looks and go from there.

Damn. Pretty close to what i'll be running. My lowers are at 35", the new upper will be a little over 39".

xj_man_646 · 01-10-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jeepnski

hey stevie.... you put enough time into this thing, you deserve to take it wheelin the first time. GIT-SOME

you are fukkin retarded.

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-10-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmay

Damn. Pretty close to what i'll be running. My lowers are at 35", the new upper will be a little over 39".

What areyou getting for #'s for roll axis?

Timmay · 01-10-2008, 08:20 AM

I can't remember, and I definitely didn't save the 3 link calc page. I'll have to redo it.

Do you have the calc screenshot handy?

Vetteboy · 01-10-2008, 08:30 AM

Here's mine...

Roll axis isn't that important for a steering axle.

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-10-2008, 08:45 AM

Thanks Vetteboy.

I'm going to measure what I've got now, and figure out how much I've changed it from the original plan. and see where to go from there.

xj_man_646 · 01-10-2008, 09:28 AM

Sounds like a plan to me. Keep it up, Steveoreno...doin good

Timmay · 01-10-2008, 09:31 AM

Let the cawk sukking commence.

xj_man_646 · 01-10-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmay

Let the cawk sukking commence.

If by that, you mean pay him with money, then sure.

Timmay · 01-10-2008, 11:26 AM

Money is overrated.

xj_man_646 · 01-10-2008, 11:29 AM

True that. I love debt.

BMFmike · 01-10-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmay

Let the cawk sukking commence.

Coming from the dood who gets his waxed quite often.

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-10-2008, 09:33 PM

didn't do too much tonight, screwed the joints in all the way to shorten the lowers an inch, need to take them out and take 2" out of the tube and reassemble, and I think it will be good. Then I measured the suspension so I could tweek it some, figure out were i needed to go.
For those who might care.
This is what it currently is:

Pretty sure this is what it's going to end at:

xj_man_646 · 01-10-2008, 10:50 PM

is that with panhard measurments or are those the numbers that were just in the calc from the start. looks good to me.

Vetteboy · 01-11-2008, 12:42 AM

101" wheelbase...

So you've shortened the wheelbase from stock, after adding longarms up front?

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-11-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by xj_man_646

is that with panhard measurments or are those the numbers that were just in the calc from the start. looks good to me.

The axle end is kinda estimated where I think it's going to be, frame end is actually where it is.

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Originally Posted by Vetteboy

101" wheelbase...

So you've shortened the wheelbase from stock, after adding longarms up front?

it's at 102 right now, but there is no way in hell the tires will fit in the wheel wells, and the springs are angled back. I've got to pull the springs out and check it when the axle is at full bump, but it looks like the fenders would have to be cut 3" forward. I'm going to play with it more tonight.

xj_man_646 · 01-11-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vetteboy

101" wheelbase...

So you've shortened the wheelbase from stock, after adding longarms up front?

Thats kinda what I was thinking too, but it doesn't make sense because the springs are in the stock location (the front mount, so the center pin position won't change) and the front wheels are way forward in the wheel well. Oh well...it is what it is.

Timmay · 01-11-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by xj_man_646

Thats kinda what I was thinking too, but it doesn't make sense because the springs are in the stock location (the front mount, so the center pin position won't change) and the front wheels are way forward in the wheel well. Oh well...it is what it is.

Lift springs have the same dimensions as stock springs, which would push the rear tire forward.

I have always ran my rear leafs in a redrilled perch 1" forward from the stock hole.

xj_man_646 · 01-11-2008, 12:43 PM

Why would that push the rear tire forward? I guess thats something I am not getting.

MBood82 · 01-11-2008, 12:48 PM

if the spring is the same length from eye to eye along the length of the spring, the more arch it has the closer the distance from eye to eye as a straight shot gets. thus, the center point of the spring moves, too.

get it?

xj_man_646 · 01-11-2008, 12:50 PM

Ok yeah, got it.

VTJeepCJ84 · 01-11-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmay

Lift springs have the same dimensions as stock springs, which would push the rear tire forward.

I have always ran my rear leafs in a redrilled perch 1" forward from the stock hole.

I believe the UBE's have 3 holes drilled. I was thinking i might move it back.

xj_man_646 · 01-11-2008, 01:46 PM

Yes, they do. I can't remember which way I oriented them...hopefully...HOPEFULLY the offset is the same to each hole. I think one hole is offset 1", one is 2" on eitherside of the middle one...if they aren't the same...that would not be cool.

You could just re-drill one of them if it is off though...

Timmay · 01-11-2008, 02:09 PM

If you mounted them opposite of each other I will die laughing. That's the most clumsy mistake i've ever heard of.

xj_man_646 · 01-11-2008, 02:13 PM

I know. I never planned to use the offset holes, so I never even thought about it. Oh well...nothing a drill can't fix.

xj_man_646 · 01-11-2008, 02:15 PM

Looks like we're fine.
Left perch:

notice the right perch:

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01-09-2008, 10:06 PM	#74
VTJeepCJ84 Trail Guide Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 2,417	Tonights progress: got the old LCA mount off the left side, only put a small cut in the supply fuel line(FYI it is about even with the bottom of the tank, so it won't stop pissing) full bump, looks like clearance will be tight, but should be OK need to cut more of the old UCA out, might have to move one end over a little. without the coil spacers: with coil spacers __________________ '84 CJ-7: mostly stock '07 Tundra '07 CBR 600RR (sold) Last edited by VTJeepCJ84; 01-09-2008 at 10:13 PM.

01-09-2008, 10:27 PM	#76
Timmay Flux Core Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 18,593	Cool. What are the link lengths? __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.LiquidIronIndustries.com (856)-336-2639 '87 YJ turbo Comp/Race buggy in the works '00 1/2 of a 1 ton XJ '03 3/4 ton Cummity Cummins "The Black Knight" '03 KTM 450 - DD

01-09-2008, 10:32 PM	#77
VTJeepCJ84 Trail Guide Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 2,417	lowers are currently 36" , upper is 40ish. I've got 1/2" of threads on each end of the lowers so i'm going to screw them in and see how it looks and go from there. __________________ '84 CJ-7: mostly stock '07 Tundra '07 CBR 600RR (sold)

01-10-2008, 08:20 AM	#83
Timmay Flux Core Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 18,593	I can't remember, and I definitely didn't save the 3 link calc page. I'll have to redo it. Do you have the calc screenshot handy? __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.LiquidIronIndustries.com (856)-336-2639 '87 YJ turbo Comp/Race buggy in the works '00 1/2 of a 1 ton XJ '03 3/4 ton Cummity Cummins "The Black Knight" '03 KTM 450 - DD

01-10-2008, 08:30 AM	#84
Vetteboy glamour turquoise Join Date: May 2003 Location: Red Bank, NJ Posts: 16,704	Here's mine... Roll axis isn't that important for a steering axle. __________________ trail rig: '94 XJ, 14FF, D60, Nv4500, D300, NP231 doubler box, 38.5 Creepies, chopped, caged, MJ'd. Wheeling. DD/tow: '05 Dodge 2500 CTD 6-speed. Wheelin '09...time to have fun. Hammers: x Rausch Creek: xxxxxxxx Uhwarrie 4x4cross: x Line Mountain Miler: x Big Dogs: x RCRocs race: x (= dead xj) Wheelin '10...time to go faster.

01-10-2008, 08:45 AM	#85
VTJeepCJ84 Trail Guide Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 2,417	Thanks Vetteboy. I'm going to measure what I've got now, and figure out how much I've changed it from the original plan. and see where to go from there. __________________ '84 CJ-7: mostly stock '07 Tundra '07 CBR 600RR (sold)

01-10-2008, 09:31 AM	#87
Timmay Flux Core Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 18,593	Let the cawk sukking commence. __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.LiquidIronIndustries.com (856)-336-2639 '87 YJ turbo Comp/Race buggy in the works '00 1/2 of a 1 ton XJ '03 3/4 ton Cummity Cummins "The Black Knight" '03 KTM 450 - DD

01-10-2008, 11:26 AM	#89
Timmay Flux Core Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 18,593	Money is overrated. __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.LiquidIronIndustries.com (856)-336-2639 '87 YJ turbo Comp/Race buggy in the works '00 1/2 of a 1 ton XJ '03 3/4 ton Cummity Cummins "The Black Knight" '03 KTM 450 - DD

01-10-2008, 09:33 PM	#92
VTJeepCJ84 Trail Guide Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 2,417	didn't do too much tonight, screwed the joints in all the way to shorten the lowers an inch, need to take them out and take 2" out of the tube and reassemble, and I think it will be good. Then I measured the suspension so I could tweek it some, figure out were i needed to go. For those who might care. This is what it currently is: Pretty sure this is what it's going to end at: __________________ '84 CJ-7: mostly stock '07 Tundra '07 CBR 600RR (sold)

01-11-2008, 12:42 AM	#94
Vetteboy glamour turquoise Join Date: May 2003 Location: Red Bank, NJ Posts: 16,704	101" wheelbase... So you've shortened the wheelbase from stock, after adding longarms up front? __________________ trail rig: '94 XJ, 14FF, D60, Nv4500, D300, NP231 doubler box, 38.5 Creepies, chopped, caged, MJ'd. Wheeling. DD/tow: '05 Dodge 2500 CTD 6-speed. Wheelin '09...time to have fun. Hammers: x Rausch Creek: xxxxxxxx Uhwarrie 4x4cross: x Line Mountain Miler: x Big Dogs: x RCRocs race: x (= dead xj) Wheelin '10...time to go faster.

01-11-2008, 02:09 PM	#103
Timmay Flux Core Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 18,593	If you mounted them opposite of each other I will die laughing. That's the most clumsy mistake i've ever heard of. __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.LiquidIronIndustries.com (856)-336-2639 '87 YJ turbo Comp/Race buggy in the works '00 1/2 of a 1 ton XJ '03 3/4 ton Cummity Cummins "The Black Knight" '03 KTM 450 - DD